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Armstrong's full depostition in SCA lawsuit

Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 12:39 pm
by Ramsey A
Coles Notes (highlights provided) version of the full deposition leaked to NY Velo City http://nyvelocity.com/ in Armstrong's 2005 lawsuit against SCA promotions:
http://nyvelocity.com/content/features/ ... -testimony

Incidently, Armstrong won the case..
An arbitration panel concluded that SCA’s contract contained no provision that would have specifically barred payment even if the Walsh/Ballester allegations were proven to be true and ordered the company to pay the $5 million and an additional $2.5 million in penalties and legal fees.
For those who haven't read it yet, Walsh's incendiary 'From Lance to Landis' is available at your local library:
http://gvpl.bibliocommons.com/item/show ... _to_landis

Re: Armstrong's full depostition in SCA lawsuit

Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 3:07 pm
by Brian S
an interesting review of TdF podium's.

http://velonews.competitor.com/2011/06/ ... ium_176880

Re: Armstrong's full depostition in SCA lawsuit

Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 4:01 pm
by Lister Farrar
Interesting review of UCI podiums:

1984-2005 Hein Verbruggen, president (board member since 1979)

2005-to date Pat McQuaid, president, (annointed by Verbruggen)

Reads like the presidency of Egypt or Iraq. (Hope so. he he)

Re: Armstrong's full depostition in SCA lawsuit

Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 7:17 pm
by Ramsey A
Yep, it's wiki, but..
..an interesting - and shockingly exhaustive - list of PED cases in cycling:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_do ... in_cycling

Thankfully, Steve Bauer's name doesn't appear (so you beat him fair and square, Lister!). Jocelyn Lovell's doesn't either. BUT.. this boyhood hero's does (and it just about broke my heart):
Stephen Roche of Ireland. According to an investigation in Italy into the practices of Francesco Conconi, Roche was involved in the case, having received EPO in 1993[119] In May 1990, Paul Kimmage published Rough Ride exposing apparently endemic drug use in the peloton, and Roche threatened litigation. It was reported in the Rome newspaper, la Repubblica, in January 2000 that Francesco Conconi, a professor at the University of Ferrara involved with administering EPO to riders on the Carrera team with which Roche had some of his best years, had provided riders including Roche with EPO. Roche denied the allegations.[120] This was further reported in the Irish Times several days later, Roche again denying EPO.[121] In March 2000 the Italian judge Franca Oliva published a report detailing the investigation into sports doctors including Conconi.[122] This official judicial investigation concluded that Roche was administered EPO in 1993, his last year in the peloton.[123] Files part of the investigation allegedly detail a number of aliases for Roche including Rocchi, Rossi, Rocca, Roncati, Righi and Rossini.[124] In 2004 Judge Oliva alleged that Roche had taken EPO during 1993 but due to the statute of limitations, neither Roche nor his team-mates at Carrera would be prosecuted.[125]

Re: Armstrong's full depostition in SCA lawsuit

Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2011 11:32 pm
by Lister Farrar
Ramsey A wrote:Yep, it's wiki, but..
..an interesting - and shockingly exhaustive - list of PED cases in cycling:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_do ... in_cycling

Thankfully, Steve Bauer's name doesn't appear (so you beat him fair and square, Lister!). Jocelyn Lovell's doesn't either. BUT.. this boyhood hero's does (and it just about broke my heart):
Stephen Roche of Ireland. According to an investigation in Italy into the practices of Francesco Conconi, Roche was involved in the case, having received EPO in 1993[119] In May 1990, Paul Kimmage published Rough Ride exposing apparently endemic drug use in the peloton, and Roche threatened litigation. It was reported in the Rome newspaper, la Repubblica, in January 2000 that Francesco Conconi, a professor at the University of Ferrara involved with administering EPO to riders on the Carrera team with which Roche had some of his best years, had provided riders including Roche with EPO. Roche denied the allegations.[120] This was further reported in the Irish Times several days later, Roche again denying EPO.[121] In March 2000 the Italian judge Franca Oliva published a report detailing the investigation into sports doctors including Conconi.[122] This official judicial investigation concluded that Roche was administered EPO in 1993, his last year in the peloton.[123] Files part of the investigation allegedly detail a number of aliases for Roche including Rocchi, Rossi, Rocca, Roncati, Righi and Rossini.[124] In 2004 Judge Oliva alleged that Roche had taken EPO during 1993 but due to the statute of limitations, neither Roche nor his team-mates at Carrera would be prosecuted.[125]
The only time I 'beat' Steve Bauer was in a race in his first season, 1976. We were juniors. It was a hilly road race from St Anne, outside Quebec city, to La Malbaie. Through the mt st Anne area ski country. At one point on a long climb, I was losing contact with the lead group. Steve rides up beside me and tries to give me a madison style push. Except he's pretty new at cycling, and we tangle handle bars and nearly fall. But the adrenalin rush does the trick, and I make it over the climb with the group.

Cut to the finish, which is a long flat run-in on the seawall in La Malbaie on the gulf of st Lawrence. I can see the finish from ~2 km out. So, I decide to pay Steve back for the help by offering him a lead-out for the sprint. I start moving past him, give him a look, wind it up.

So I'm sprinting, starting to hurt, head down, looking back through my legs and under my arms to see when the hell he's gonna start going by me so I can give-up and get out of the way. But he's nowhere to be seen. I'm getting really close the line and he's still awol. At the last second I realize I'm going to win, do a wobbly salute, look around and he comes across the line 10 feet behind me, and gives me a big pat on the back.

Turns out he had no idea what a lead-out was, thought I was going for it, and decided to 'block for me', getting in the way long enough for my feeble sprint to hold off the rest. By that point the Quebec juniors had probably heard about him, and decided to watch the junior who had been invited to join the national team, instead of this no-name. One of them was a local hero named Louis Garneau.

I won a TV, one of the few prizes I can remember. My other vivid memory of that race, is after the finish of Steve eating Pringles and drinking root beer, and spilling it on the seats of my Dad's van, pissing him off. :lol:

Criquelion is about the only guy I ever heard say a negative thing about Steve. Bringing it back to the thread topic, he also was in my opinion one of the true victims of doping (after of course the 30 dead dutch and belgian amateurs). He pretty much got NO results after the early 90's (1990: 8 days in yellow jersey, 2nd in Paris roubaix), (coincidentally (Not.) when epo arrived). Similar to Hampsten and Lemond.

Check the cliff he fell off in 1990:

Tour results
1985 — 10th Wore the White Jersey (Best Young Riders Jersey) for most of the Tour.
1986 — 23rd
1987 — 74th
1988 — 4th Stage 1 Victory from Pontchateau to Machecoul and 5 days in Yellow Jersey
1989 — 15th
1990 — 27th Led the Tour, 9 consecutive days in Yellow Jersey (plus 2nd Paris Roubaix) (EPO approved by FDA in 1989)
1991 — 97th
1993 — 101st
1995 — 101st
More results here:
http://www.cyclingarchives.com/coureurf ... eurid=1277

That's the crime of doping. If I ever got in the room with Conconi, I'd take a swing at him. That bastard was starting the epo era by doping Moser while he was heading the Italian anti-doping research group. What a complete hypocrite http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francesco_Conconi

Re: Armstrong's full depostition in SCA lawsuit

Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2011 5:37 pm
by Chris Watt
Lister- Great story about Steve- thanks.

You wrote:
That's the crime of doping. If I ever got in the room with Conconi, I'd take a swing at him. That bastard was starting the epo era by doping Moser while he was heading the Italian anti-doping research group. What a complete hypocrite http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francesco_Conconi

...better wait till you've got your good arm back then- Conconi might think you're giving him a love-tap if you lead with your left...

Cheers,
Chris

Re: Armstrong's full depostition in SCA lawsuit

Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 11:33 pm
by Ramsey A
Lister Farrar wrote: The only time I 'beat' Steve Bauer was in a race in his first season, 1976. We were juniors..
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One of Lister's stories: priceless!
Criquelion is about the only guy I ever heard say a negative thing about Steve. Bringing it back to the thread topic, he also was in my opinion one of the true victims of doping (after of coure the 30 dead dutch and belgian amateurs) pretty much got NO results after the early 90's (1990: 8 days in yellow jersey, 2nd in Paris roubaix), (coincidentally? not! when epo arrived). Similar to Hampsten and Lemond.
So true. Criquielion, understandably perhaps, had plenty of hard feelings regarding Bauer after they tangled along the barriers at the '88 Renaix Worlds (and for three years in Belgian courts).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ze97yO8JpP8

Bauer came so close on so many occasions: losing to Alexi Grewal (!!) in a sprint at the LA Olympics and flatting in the last kms at the Chambray Worlds in '89, and went to some pretty outrageous (chainstay) lengths to try to keep up with a dramatically faster peleton. Remember the 'Stealth Bike'??
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LeMond has complained of burying himself physically toward the end of his career to keep pace with hematocrit-enhanced racers. He termed this 'passive doping' and believes it may have caused (or worsened ) the mytochondrial illness that ultimately forced his retirement..