Tripleshot Cycling

http://www.novemberbicycles.com/

some pretty nice stuff for VERY reasonable prices here.

Carbon? I think it's curious they try to sell you a second frame right away.
http://www.novemberbicycles.com/crash-preplacement/

Or you could get a bike that weighs 17 lbs, but can handle this:
http://www.youtube.com/v/xk98yvozq1g&hl ... version=3"

whole ti bike with ultegra for $1699
http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/mot ... _ti_10.htm

Bikes Direct ti Consumer reviews:
http://www.roadbikereview.com/mfr/motob ... px#reviews

And have money for racing.

If you want a nice set of wheels, there is a set 2005 Zipp 404s with tires at Cycles West for $799. The probably have less than 1000km on them. Somebody should buy them so I don't end up buying them.

Is that a steel diehard I hear extolling the virtues of ti?

Really though, marketing value of the demonstration aside, running over a tube with a truck is about as valid a test for what makes a good bike frame material as jumping out a window headfirst with a pillow tied to your head to see which one would give you the best nights sleep.
ie compressive strength of a random cross section of tube is not a good indicator of the youngs modulus or modulus of elasticity, not to mention the stiffness, especially as carbon reinforced plastic's strength is directional.

Personally, I don't really have a preference of frame materials. They all have their tradeoffs. All can be good or complete pieces of crap depending on the design.
this is a good read though
http://www.ibiscycles.com/support/techn ... he_basics/

there's also these roland if you want some tubbies for cross.

http://www.usedvictoria.com/classified- ... n_13248075

Josh.E wrote:http://www.novemberbicycles.com/
some pretty nice stuff for VERY reasonable prices here.

I wonder if their frames are better then the Chinese eBay units. Marcel has one of those no-name Chinese carbon bikes built up as his winter bike and he was saying it flexed like a twizzler.

If you want a nice set of wheels, there is a set 2005 Zipp 404s with tires at Cycles West for $799. The probably have less than 1000km on them. Somebody should buy them so I don't end up buying them.

Roland think about how many watts you would save while off the front at pretty much every race

"a good bike frame material as jumping out a window headfirst with a pillow tied to your head to see which one would give you the best nights sleep"

Okay my kids are asking me what is going on because I just BURST out laughing at this comment!

As an aside, I suspect that any pillow tied to your head in this scenario will be fine for your final (and permanent) night's sleep!

Michael

Josh.E wrote:Is that a steel diehard I hear extolling the virtues of ti?

I couldn't find a demo with steel tubes...I hear all the best demonstrations of that material were recorded on film or beta cassette, and didn't make to the internet age.

Really though, marketing value of the demonstration aside, running over a tube with a truck is about as valid a test for what makes a good bike frame material as jumping out a window headfirst with a pillow tied to your head to see which one would give you the best nights sleep.

Well, you might be one of the few to jump out the window in your sleep, but everyone drops their bike now and then.

ie compressive strength of a random cross section of tube is not a good indicator of the youngs modulus or modulus of elasticity, not to mention the stiffness, especially as carbon reinforced plastic's strength is directional.

All very important (well, apparently less than carrying two bricks), until your bike falls over at coffee, and you have nice wall decoration to remind you of how much better carbon was(n't).

Personally, I don't really have a preference of frame materials. They all have their tradeoffs. All can be good or complete pieces of crap depending on the design.
this is a good read though
http://www.ibiscycles.com/support/techn ... he_basics/

Thanks. Will read.

PS Did I tell you there was a national team guy in the coaching course riding a new steel bike, provided by his sponsor? Yeeaahhhh!

Lister Farrar wrote:Well, you might be one of the few to jump out the window in your sleep, but everyone drops their bike now and then.

All very important (well, apparently less than carrying two bricks), until your bike falls over at coffee, and you have nice wall decoration to remind you of how much better carbon was(n't).
!

yeah, but carbon doesn't (normally) get destroyed if a bike falls over either. My aluminum frames have fallen over numerous times and been fine, despite what that truck did to the aluminum tube.

I have a nice big dent on my aluminum top tube that I got from a crash in 2009. I still use it as my main road bike. It's a 2005 Argon 18. My early-2000s K2 Enemy 'cross bike has been re-welded — there was a crack on the downtube. These two bikes are much more resilient than the steel bikes I have owned, which either dented like lead or rusted away (both of them Reynolds 653, i.e. higher-end). Granted, they were over 10 years old, and I'm terribly neglectful. On the latter point, aluminum is a goood way to go, especially here where it rains.

I wonder if I'll get a new bike this year... The Ridley carbons look pretty.

More sub $500 Carbon
full bikes 1700 Sram Red
http://www.planet-x-usa.com/pPC50TU/Pla ... elset.aspx

emilederosnay wrote: they were over 10 years old

Just getting broken in.

Where did you keep them? Under a pile of compost?